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me109k2> В 44м окрас самолей был скорее всего уже в стандартной 3-х цветной схеме: ...

Да Бог с ними, а Хэлкет похож на беременный FW-190.

MikeG5691> Hello Folks,
MikeG5691> Just wanted to say thank you all for all of the wonderful posts on naval ships, and if I may ask if/is there any good threads with Arleigh Burke class IIA destroyers/or US Super Carriers??? I am trying to do research so I can create decent 3D models from available sources.
MikeG5691> There are many ship classes that I would like to build upon, but for now I am fixated on the Burke class and Super Carriers. Any/all assistance would be appreciated.
MikeG5691> Cheers Mates!

This is funny, an American asking Russians for drawings/source material to make a model of contemporary US Navy ships.....

My best advice to you is to set your browser in translation mode and start plowing through this thread, as you'll find lots of drawings for numerous ship classes, and I'm pretty sure the Arleigh Burkes have passed by in this thread.
If you go back a few pages you'll find a link posted by me to a folder on Google Drive (found it on the forum of http://www.shipmodels.info/ containing most, if not all Booklets of General Plans and other drawings of US Navy ships that were available for free on the website of the US National Archives....
Another thread that you might find very interesting is this one about modern navy ships
There's also this thread about 3D modelling

Be aware, you're on virtual Russian soil and not everybody here appreciates/accepts English as the international language, and some people might take it personally when you try to communicate in English.

cheers!!!

fouteman> This is funny, an American asking Russians for drawings/source material to make a model of contemporary US Navy ships.....

Привет fouteman,

Спасибо за любезный ответ, и для записи я русского происхождения; и что я могу сказать иногда надо ехать где рубли лол!

Ура, приятель!

MikeG5691> и для записи я русского происхождения

Petrov or Boshirov?


MikeG5691> Ура, приятель!

Уря-уря

MikeG5691>> и для записи я русского происхождения
Bornholmer> Petrov or Boshirov?

Я наблюдаю за схожими артистами. Уже заработал изжогу от смеха. Это же Цирк шапито! Строить предложение по-русски, что бы потом перевести в Гугле.

Тогда лучше пишите в конце сообщения "Чус анатос!". Молдаване сразу подтянутся.

Знания о наглосаксонской разговорной речи отсутствуют напрочь. Да и сам язык видимо на уровне "фэйсом об тэйбл". Напоминает это мне знакомого Рому. 20 лет чудак живет в штатах, а язык так и не выучил.

Таки Цирк шапито!

kkg1960> Строить предложение по-русски, что бы потом перевести в Гугле.

Nå...

kkg1960> На фото Балтимора от 21.10.1944г., Марэ Айленд, Калифорния, настил палубы на корме - деревянный. Оба Войт-Сикорских "зимородка" на катапультах. Правда номера машин, с правого борта крейсера, № 1 и с левого - № 2.
kkg1960> На другом фото, послевоенном, то же самое - дерево. Имя крейсера на светлых спас. кругах.

На октябрь (вторжение на Филиппины) весь флот уже был перекрашен. Есть целый сайт по камуфляжам юэсэсов, с палитрами даже. Там всё чёрным по белому))

kkg1960>> Строить предложение по-русски, что бы потом перевести в Гугле.
Bornholmer> Nå...

Чтобы потом перевести в Гугле на английский. Непонятно зачем? Чтобы запутать сигуранцу, разве что.

kkg1960>> На другом фото, послевоенном, то же самое - дерево. Имя крейсера на светлых спас. кругах.
richie> На октябрь (вторжение на Филиппины) весь флот уже был перекрашен. Есть целый сайт по камуфляжам юэсэсов, с палитрами даже. Там всё чёрным по белому))

Так вопрос был не в окраске корабля,а в окраске самолета.А летадла красили отдельно от носителя,по своим авиационным циркулярам.

MikeG5691>> и для записи я русского происхождения
Bornholmer> Petrov or Boshirov?
MikeG5691>> Ура, приятель!
Bornholmer> Уря-уря

Здравствуйте, Борнхолмер, извините, но я не понимаю вашего вопроса? Мой дедушка родился на русском языке до Первой мировой войны; и это все, что я знаю, кроме того, что он, скорее всего, "белый русский", поскольку он решительно выступал против коммунизма!

Твое здоровье, Приятель!

richie> На октябрь (вторжение на Филиппины) весь флот уже был перекрашен. Есть целый сайт по камуфляжам юэсэсов, с палитрами даже. Там всё чёрным по белому))
richie> https://www.shipcamouflage.com/DesignSheets/M31-32-33_16D_CA-68Class.jpg
richie> https://www.shipcamouflage.com/DesignSheets/M32_16D_BB-43.jpg

This is not correct, these pictures were taken on december 12 1944 (about 6 weeks after the Battle of Leyte Gulf, showing US battleships and aircraft carriers in various camouflage schemes......




".....TG 38.3 entering Ulithi on 12 December 1944, taken by Essex (CV-9), & showing the Ticonderoga (CV-14); Washington (BB-56); North Carolina (BB-55); and South Dakota (BB-57)......"




".... Battleships of the U.S Pacific Fleet following Ticonderoga (CV-14) [out of photo ahead of the Washington (BB-56)] entering Ulithi Atoll on 12 December 1944. Washington, North Carolina (BB-55), and South Dakota (BB-57) are in line ahead formation. Note that three camouflage schemes are shown; MS22 (Washington ), MS32/18d (North Carolina ) and MS21 (South Dakota )....."

Dazzle camouflage was replaced by MS22, because dazzle camouflage was indeed effective against the use of optical rangefinders and periscopes, but the ships became very easy to find targets for kamikaze pilots

fouteman> This is not correct,
Простите, но вы не правильно поняли разговор. Речь о том, как красили самолёты OS2U Kingfisher при камуфляже Measure 32
(sorry, but you misunderstood the conversation. It's about how OS2U Kingfisher aircraft were painted with "Measure 32" camouflage)

Однако, можете ли вы помочь детальными фотографиями авианосцев типа "Касабланка"?
(However, can you help with detailed photos of the Casablanca-class CVE-55/104 aircraft carriers? I want to build a shipmodel)

richie> А не подкинет ли кто фото всякой деталировки эскортников типа "Касабланка" (cve-55/104)? Гугл ничего толком не даёт, три дня вводил индекс каждого из 50 систеров в гугл и, кроме внешнего вида, почти ничего.
На известном ресурсе NavSource Online: Escort Carrier Photo Archive смотрели?

Канарчук1970> На известном ресурсе NavSource Online: Escort Carrier Photo Archive смотрели?

Спасибо, да это видел. В ЮС нац.архиве и на дне лежащего Сент Ло тоже. Мне важны фото бортов со спонсонами ЗА, там много чего налеплено было

fouteman>> This is not correct,
richie> Простите, но вы не правильно поняли разговор. Речь о том, как красили самолёты OS2U Kingfisher при камуфляже Measure 32
richie> (sorry, but you misunderstood the conversation. It's about how OS2U Kingfisher aircraft were painted with "Measure 32" camouflage)

OK, probably not the final answer, but I'll try.....

from scalecolors.com

"...The Non-Specular, or Three-Tone, scheme appeared in February of 1943. Orders required all upper surfaces be Non-Specular Sea Blue 607, with Non-Specular Intermediate Blue 608 being applied to fuselage sides, vertical tail surfaces, and rudder. Under surfaces were Non-Specular Insignia White 601. On aircraft with folding wings, the portion of the wing viewed when folded was painted Non-Specular Intermediate Blue 608.

In late March 1944, colors from the 1943 Three Tone scheme were changed from Non-Specular to Glossy. The exception to this rule was fighter aircraft, which were to now carry Glossy Sea Blue 623 overall. Non-Specular Sea Blue 607 could be substituted in areas where it was necessary to protect the pilot from sun glare.




...By October 1944, the 1943 Three Tone scheme was dropped from all combat aircraft, including torpedo and dive bombers. This was replaced by the earlier March 1944 fighter scheme calling for Overall Glossy Sea Blue 623. The exceptions to this rule included Seaplanes, Transports, Helicopters, Patrol, and Observation aircraft, all of which retained the earlier Non-Specular scheme of February 1943....

This means that from march 1944 onwards there's a difference in paint scheme between US navy carrier aircraft and spotter planes on cruisers and battleships. Spotter aircraft retained the 1943 three tone scheme, however it's unclear (to me) if the paint applied was glossy or not.

This is a series of colour slides taken on board of USS Missouri, taken in august 1944 during or just after sea-trials and or shakedown cruise (so pictures of a brand new battleship, in a brand new paint scheme with brand new equipment) showing the Kingfishers in a three tone paint scheme






USS Iowa, march 1945 with floatplanes in three tone scheme

From navsource.org




"....5 March 1945 after her last wartime overhaul. She has just received the new enclosed bridge, some new electronics, and she now carries SC-1 Seahawk aircraft...."




"...Post Saint Patrick's day finds the Iowa (BB-61) anchored off Hunter's Point, 18 March 1945...."


richie> Одна^{ко, можете ли вы помочь детальными фотографиями авианосцев типа "Касабланка"?}
richie> (However, can you help with detailed photos of the Casablanca-class CVE-55/104 aircraft carriers? I want to build a shipmodel)

A good starting point for your quest is this well known booklet of general plans of CVE-90 USS Thetis Bay.
The drawings will give you a good idea of dimensions, height of the decks, internal dimensions, location of guns, radar etc

For a more extended set of drawings, (bodyplan, linesplan, technical drawings of equipment), follow this link to The Escort Carrier Gambier Bay [Anatomy of the Ship]

fouteman> OK, probably not the final answer, but I'll try.....
TNX

fouteman> CVE-90 USS Thetis Bay.
fouteman> The Escort Carrier Gambier Bay [Anatomy of the Ship]
Да, по этим документам я начал строить. Но меня интересуют фотография реальных кораблей, чтобы увидеть деталировку
(Yes, according to these documents I started to build. But I'm interested in a photo of real ships to see the detail.)

foute[s]man>> OK, probably not the final answer, but I'll try.....
richie> TNX
fouteman>> CVE-90 USS Thetis Bay.
fouteman>> The Escort Carrier Gambier Bay [Anatomy of the Ship]
richie> Да, по этим документам я начал строить. Но меня интересуют фотография реальных кораблей, чтобы увидеть деталировку
richie> (Yes, according to these documents I started to build. But I'm interested in a photo of real ships to see the detail.)
richie> https://c.radikal.ru/c21/2110/08/495170869172t.jpg
richie> https://c.radikal.ru/c40/2110/dd/ca61e49882e4t.jpg

Did not finish my reply, but question first. You're looking for "details" to distinguish one ship from another, to make a certain ship from the class, or are you looking for details such as size of portholes, shape of anchors, etc to make a model to represent a standard configuration for the whole class?

You've got the book about USS Gambier Bay and the general plan I mentioned, both sets do offer a lot of information about details you're looking for. You could use these drawings as a kind of standard, to compare with photo evidence from other ships.
It has already been mentioned, Navsource.org is a great picture source, such as these view on the stern of CVE-84 USS Shamrock Bay, taken in november 1944. Please note the paint scheme of the carrier aircraft







The same ship, but this photo was taken a few months earlier (august 1944). She carries a load of USAAF aircraft (P-40's and P-38's) Main difference with the november photos is the camouflage scheme

fouteman> Did not finish my reply, but question first. You're looking for "details" to distinguish one ship from another, to make a certain ship from the class, or are you looking for details such as size of portholes, shape of anchors, etc to make a model to represent a standard configuration for the whole class?

Строю "Калинин бэй" на 25.10.1944 (Бой у о. Самар). Про камуфляж корабля мне известно уже, и про маркировку самолётов тоже есть книга (Heuss - "Escort Carriers and their Air Unit Markings during WW2 in the Pacific")
Но одной "анатомии" и того ресурса navsource.org недостаточно. По частям приходится искать везде (и в U.S. National Archives). Да же скриня видео о лежащем на дне USS St Lo cve-63

I am building USS Kalinin bay CVE-68 as of 25.10.1944 (Battle off Samar).I already know the camouflage of the ship. And there is already a book for airplanes (Heuss - "Escort Carriers and their Air Unit Markings during WW2 in the Pacific")
But "anatomy" alone and that navsource.org resource is not enough. Accurate detailing, in parts you have to search everywhere. (and U.S. National Archives nara.getarchive.net). Even screening a video about lying at the bottom USS St Lo cve-63.

@richie
I think you'll find these pages interesting, it's part 1 en part 2 of a buildersreport of a 1/96 USS Kalinin Bay on Modelwarships.com. Part 3 still has to be written






The same model, but other pictures

For the design history of the Casablanca class, there's a part written about this class by Norman Friedman in his book about US Aircraft Carriers



For info about escort carrier operations in the Pacific, there's this book

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Спасибо!