Flame and holywar about special operation in Ukraine

westerninfo> Russia is in the swamp and there are too much risk if Ukraine will win.

fuck you self

westerninfo>> Russia is in the swamp and there are too much risk if Ukraine will win.
imaex> fuck you self

Ну, зачем же так грубо?

westerninfo> I see some bad things to come.
keep watching, we will call you

AGRESSOR> Ну, зачем же так грубо?

Что, надо было по-русски?

trainer> keep watching, we will call you

Вот я понял - к чему отсыл. А оно поймёт? Я просто не в курсе наглосаксонских нутряков.

westerninfo> Hello,
westerninfo> I hope somebody speak english.

I'm not sure anyone here would be very interested in your opinion.
Sorry...

westerninfo> I hope somebody speak english.

You might want to improve your English before you gonna "analyse something".

westerninfo> I see some bad things to come.

Like what? Would you please to disclose the sizzling truth for us?

westerninfo> A solution can be made, but everything is foggy, we can make it crystal clear.

Where do we need to bring our money to?

trainer>> keep watching, we will call you
imaex> Вот я понял - к чему отсыл. А оно поймёт? Я просто не в курсе наглосаксонских нутряков.
Ну флажок у него венгерский, хотя может это прокси. Не поймет - переспросит, если ему это надо.

trainer>> keep watching, we will call you
imaex> Вот я понял - к чему отсыл. А оно поймёт? Я просто не в курсе наглосаксонских нутряков.

Ну, это венгерское чучело вроде бы, если верить флажку. Но точно не англосакс - английский корявый. А вообще англосаксы очень даже пониманиют "We will call you back" (Мы вам перезвоним) как отфутболивание.

AGRESSOR> "We will call you back" (Мы вам перезвоним) как отфутболивание.

Ну, я сразу верю, что англосаксы понимают "Where do we need to bring our money to?". А венгры? Для русских как-то не очень, если честно.

Если бы это чучело действительно чем-то интересовалось, то могло бы автопереводчиком с мадьярского на русский воспользоваться.

imaex> Ну, я сразу верю, что англосаксы понимают "Where do we need to bring our money to?". А венгры? Для русских как-то не очень, если честно.

Это не какое-то устойчивое словосочетание, а просто сарказм: "Куда приносить деньги?" Ну, чел же явно пытается втюхать "беспроигрышный вариант", небось "300% годовых", "Только сегодня и только для вас". Я этого дерьма еще на Западе столько наслушался в самых разных формах, что не передать. Видать, мадьяры всерьез уверовали западным новостным трендам, что у русских типа сейчас паника в стране - ну, и решили половить у нас рыбку.

westerninfo>> I hope somebody speak english.
AGRESSOR> You might want to improve your English before you gonna "analyse something".

Это знаешь, наверно, что? Это у них у хомячков акция "позвони русскому". Злесь писали об этом. Обычно привлекают тех, кто говорит по-нашему. Звонят и начинают впаривать, какие мы плохие, выходите бунтовать против Путина, блабла.
Этот русского не знает, и напрягается на аглицком.

westerninfo> But also Putin wants other things than the Russian nation.

I see you perfectly know what Putin wants and what the Russian nation wants

Надо свести его с Ивочкой и Оцтоем, и пусть они тут на аглицком хором харно спивають

westerninfo> I am a benevolent stupid probably.
man, we can read western propaganda in western media. why should we believe them? balalaika, matryoshka, drunken bears...

VAS63> Выполняйте правила форума.

Точняк это активист акции "позвони русскому". Этому денег жалко звонить и языка не знает. Вот, нашел себе форум.

westerninfo> I think You were provocated in this war and it was orchestrated from the very beginning.

Oh, really? No! We can't believe that such thing is possible! How have you got this point hooked?

westerninfo> But also Putin wants other things than the Russian nation.

Clarify your thoughts, please. What is meant exactly? We are all shivering waiting the answer.

Bornholmer> Точняк это активист акции "позвони русскому". Этому денег жалко звонить и языка не знает. Вот, нашел себе форум.

А им хоть платят за это фуфло? Или тупо хомячий энтузиазм используют?

AGRESSOR> А им хоть платят за это фуфло? Или тупо хомячий энтузиазм используют?

Вроде, не платят. Но буйные активизды (в основсном, из Прибалтики, ессна, где еще говорят на русском?)готовы бороться бесплатно. Якобы в примерно 80% случаев позвонившего борца за демократию посылают к буям, и в 20% с ним соглашаются и горько плачут в трубку, что ничего не могут поделать с Тераном и его Рижымом Так про это здесь писали.
И вот у нас один такой пендальф!

westerninfo> My intentions are clear.

Go on.

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westerninfo> The situation is foggy but it needs to be crystal clear. We can speak in email if the forum does not tolerate it. Only if You speak English, computer translation is not very good. westerninfo at mailo.com

OK, I am sorry that I have misunderstood your intentions. We have a special section of the forum devoted to English and I moved this discussion over here. It's open to everybody, so if there's interest in such discussions, it will be held here.

westerninfo>> My intentions are clear.
Bornholmer> Go on.

Ok. First I need to say I don't want to say you are bad. I don't want that You go against Putin, etc. I DO NOT want your money.
Second I think Ukraine has the right to defend himself. I mean the Ukraine people.
Third I think You have the right to defend your russian minority in ukraine.

You know, that in the history Russians invaded Hungary in 1849, 1945 and 1956. So we are not friends. I fear from Russia, look at the map, you are 100 times greater than us. 14 times more people. Army. Atomic bombs.

BUT: In the last 20 years, I saw that your president made a nationalist politic. I mean in russia, Russians are first. Not jews, gipsies, chinese, arabs, armenians, i don't know what people. From Hungary it looks like that in RUssia, russians are the first. Perhaps it's stupidity, but it looks like that russians are first in rUssia.
In the past 10 years, Hungary tried to make some nationalist politics also. In Hungary Hungarians are the first. When European Union (EU) said we need to give countless subsidies to gipsies (for example) our government said: no subsidies, they need to work. When the EU said we need to give accomodation, job and a lot of subsidies to arab, islamic people because they will work for us when we will be old, our government said: NO, make Hungarian children, and we give You subsidies and your children will help you when you will be old, not strangers. More child, more subsidies. When the swiss franc became very-very strong, the government saved lot of people with huge house credit. Hungary made some mercantilist development (or moves) in the economy. We slowly began to feel, that in Hungary Hungarians are first.

And whwn somebody criticised Hungary, we had Russia to show: look, they are first in their country, why we Hungarians can not be the first in our country?

If you (Russia) will fall, it's finished. Like in the United States where the Black Lives Matter (BLM) members stop white americans to kiss the shoes of black peoples, we need to kiss the shoes of gipsies in Hungary? I don't want this. Before 2010, there was cases when a gipsy comitted murder against a young Hungarian the jewish judge said he can go freely, no need to go to prison. I was myself very poor before 2010, when gipsies made a fire on my house - everything annihilated - police officers said, they can't make nothing against them, the tribunal will release them immediately. I don't want this again.

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Zelensky - a talented actor and a perhaps a puppet - provocated Russia in the past few years. I think perhaps the Ukraine oligarchs are more important to him than Ukraine people. Perhaps it's exagerated: Zelensky represent not only the Ukraine people but also Ukraine oligarchs and also Ukraine Jews. And I think your president Putin misjudged how much people, how much tank, artillery, etc he need to change the government. Zelensky prepared for this war:
First a massive media support to show the Russian agression (and it's easy: you attack, you are the agressor).
Second a guerilla war and self-defense: if Ukraine people shot at Russian soldiers they will shot back. (It's also easy: Ukraine people have the right to defend their country.)
Third, support of world jewry (4 mars 2022) - Ukraine people in the same situation like the jews in WW2.
4nd, limitless money and weapons (now 20-25-30 billions usd only in weapons, food and medicament we can't even estimate) from the West, it's flowing in Ukraine, and modern anti-tank, anti-ship, anti-aircraft weapons decimate russian army.
I forgot sanctions: never in history before so much sanctions and record speed. I think sanctions were negatiated BEFORE the Russian attack.

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We need to separate two things:
Ukraine people have absolutely the right of self-defense, so when people in the West see civil casualties, they will not support Russians. Contrary, they will collect money, food, medicaments for Ukraine. They have about 25-30 times more ressources than Russia. The war is now a battle of materials. Ukraine people hate Russian people now - civil casualties, Mariupol, dead children, etc.

Meanwhile, Russia negotiates with Zelensky, who does not represent only the Ukraine people but also oligarchs and Jews. So Russia negotiates only PARTLY with Ukraine. There are others in the background not only the Ukraine people.


You see what trap you are in?
While You attack Ukraine people, You are the agressor, West helps the defenders
AND
You can not negotiate with the Ukraine people, because their president represents partly Ukraine people, partly Jews, partly oligarchs.

So a solution is needed ASAP. And the solution is probably not to kill Zelensky by mercenaries.